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Queries on Woods HNT Gordon use? eg: botanical names, density,
origin etc - go to Wood Information
Smoothing Plane or A55 Smoothing Plane? June
2007
The difference between the two smoothers largely comes
down to the handle style you like and whether you want the screw
adjuster. For big surfaces I personally like the old style smoother as
I can push or pull the plane
easily and don't have to walk with the plane when doing a long table.
The A55 is awkward to pull so you have to walk with the plane on big
surfaces. The old style smoother has a slightly higher (60 deg) blade
angle as opposed
to 55 degrees on the A55 which will help on some cranky woods but you
can use both as a scraper if you are getting tearout so that is not a
big issue.
What is Gidgee? How different is it from
Ironwood?
All timbers used for the plane body are very suitable for this purpose
and will provide good serviceability and long life. It really comes
done to your budget and personal preference based on the look of the
wood. However, here are some points to consider: Cooktown Ironwood
has more of a natural oily feel to it than gidgee. Its texture is
not quite as fine as the gidgee and is generally is not as beautiful.
Red - brown colouring.
Gidgee is an Acacias and has a very fine texture and is generally
very nice. Rich brown colourings. Is slightly more dense than the
ironwood and is my favourite wood for making planes.
Why don't HNT Gordon planes
have a chip breaker?
A chip breaker's purpose is to
break off the wood shaving before it has the potential to
tear the grain prior to the blade cutting it cleanly to
leave a smooth surface. To achieve this the chip
breaker is designed to increase the angle at which the
shaving is bent up against the front of the blade.
On a Stanley plane this is about 60 - 70
degrees. Therefore, a plane with a 60 degree
blade angle achieves the desired effect of a chip
breaker. Another point here is also the fact
that a 60 degree cutting angle has an element of scraping
which decreases the strength of the shaving lessening the
requirement to break the shaving off before it tears the
grain. Also, the more I get to know about planes the more I think a chip
breaker does little to prevent tearout. I have personally seen a low
angle (LA) smoother with the same effective cutting edge as a standard
Bailey pattern plane with a chip breaker and the LA smoother with no
chip breaker caused less tearout on some cranky red cedar.
Aren't wooden planes without
a mechanical adjustment difficult to set to the right depth?
A correctly fitted wedge will allow for easy adjustment of the blade
depth by taping with a small hammer. This is only made
difficult if you have an ill fitting wedge. The use of a blade setting
block will also simplify this process which is fully explained in the
instructions with each plane and on this website at
bladesetting.
Will the
wood body crack or warp?
All timber used in HNT Gordon
planes is kiln dried down to 6 - 8 % moisture content
which is a good average for most workshop
conditions. The timbers used are also
selected based on their excellent stability
qualities. Of course if these planes are
exposed to extremes of dryness for extended period
you may get some surface checks or minor cracks, but they
are very unlikely to warp or cause problems with the
fitment of the wedge. If you intend to store a
plane for extended periods, and you are not sure of the
conditions, place the plane in a sealed plastic
bag to protect it from the elements.
If you have any of these problems you will need to
reconsider where you are doing your woodwork as these
problems will also be present in the timber being used
for your woodworking project.
What is the difference
in the wood sole of the rebate plane and the brass sole
of the shoulder planes?
The shoulder plane is designed for
cleaning up end grain shoulders of wood which can be quite harsh on the
sole, hence a brass sole was used to protect the base of the plane, but
it tends to have more friction making it slightly harder to push.
The rebate plane is primarily used for cleaning up a rebate along the
grain where damage to the sole is less of an issue and allows for a
smoother easier action to reduce the work load. Either
plane can be successfully used for both purposes but care should be
exercised when using the rebate plane to clean up a hardwood shoulder.
Why don't HNT Gordon planes have a strike button to adjust or
remove the blade?
A strike
button limits the place you can tap the plane to adjust
the blade. A person with expertise in
adjusting these types of plane will strike the plane in
different places to move the blade precisely where they
want it. E.g. striking the plane at the left
side of the heel will only reduce the depth of cut on the
left side of the plane. This could not be
achieved if the plane had a strike button in the centre
of the heel. Also the timber used is very
tough and very little damage is done to the plane when
striking it lightly with a small hammer.
A small wooden mallet is the best option if you are
concerned about damaging the plane body with a steel
hammer.
What do you think is the optimum
mouth spacing should be to reduce tearout?
There is no exact answer to this
question due to the untold combinations of the wood we plane and the
various, blade angles, blade thicknesses and quality of the planes. This
is what I know to date:
- mouth spacing gets less critical as
you increase the blade pitch, to the point where mouth spacing has no
bearing on the performance of a 90 degree scraper plane.
- a fine mouth pacing (less than
0.2mm) will help reduce tearout on some woods but there are no
guarantees that it will stop tearout. This tight mouth spacing may
cause other problems such as the shaving catching in the mouth and
obviously restricts the plane to taking very fine shavings.
- in a wooden plane a mouth spacing >
1mm may cause the shaving to concertina in the mouth area causing the
throat to clog up with shavings.
- an adjustable mouth plane has some
merit in that you can set the mouth fine if required but, there are
several things to consider a) the adjusting mouth must be
precisely made to ensure it functions properly, b) the experience
required, to know what the optimum mouth spacing is for a certain wood
or planing task, would need to be extensive and c) even if you
get the mouth at the optimum spacing there is a fair chance on some
woods that tearout will still occur.
- I believe the optimum mouth spacing
for a HNT GORDON smoother is 0.3 mm, and my tolerance on a smoother is
0.3 - 0.5 mm. I use this spacing because it gives good practical
results when planing most woods including good shaving removal. If I
come across a wood that shows signs of tearout with the smoother setup
to plane at 60 degrees blade pitch, I will immediately convert the
plane to a 90 degree scraper by reversing the blade. Doing this will
ensure I can smooth the wood surface without worrying about
tearout.
In conclusion I believe the mouth
spacing debate will remain a matter of various opinions and tearout will
occur if you rely on mouth spacing to solve your problem. If you use
cranky woods the only sure way I know to avoid tearout is to sick to the
saying " If you can't plane it, scrape it!"
Wednesday, June 30,
2004
Hello Terry,
Today I received the waddy wood palm plane
from the ebay sale. Thank you very much –
I look forward to using it in my furniture making. I have two
questions for you about your planes that I hope you can answer:
Q1)
The bodies and
wedges in your planes are generally made from very hard woods. I
would expect that it would be more difficult to get the iron bedded
tightly compared to a case where you have a softer wood for one of the
parts. The Japanese tend to use oak for their plane bodies, which
they say has just enough compression to securely hold the wedge-shaped
blade. I took a tool-making seminar a few years ago from a guy named
Yeung Chan (he’s a California furniture
maker and also makes nearly all of his own hand tools) –
Yeung suggested using a softer wood for
the wedges such as Poplar (not sure you have that in Australia) to get
a tighter fit when using a very hard wood for the body of the plane.
Do you think a more compressible wedge would be of any benefit in
your planes to help secure the iron more tightly? I’m not implying
there is any problem with the blade fit in the planes that I have, I’m
just curious.
Q2)
For your shoulder
planes, I noticed that you make them with a 60 degree bed angle. I
often use iron shoulder planes for trimming
tenons and that can involve cutting across the grain or on the
end grain. I have always thought that for these applications a lower
bedding angle would provide a smoother and easier cut. Why did you
decide to use such a high angle on your shoulder planes? Are there
applications where this would work better (aside from cutting along
the grain in hardwoods)?
Thanks for your
consideration and thanks again for making such beautiful tools. Best
regards, Paul Rubas
Hi Paul
Glad to hear the plane arrived OK.
Good questions, I'll give you my thoughts on them. Remembering
there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
A1) It is much easier to fit
a wedge made from a softer wood because the wedge wood will compress
as required to give a good fit. This is OK initially but because the
wedge was not a perfect fit in the first place the softer wood will
compress more in one area than another and I believe over time
the area being compressed the most will come to a point where it won't
compress any more, eg it will be hard up against the abutment in this
one spot, whereas the area not compressed as much will not be as hard
up against the abutment as the other area causing the wedge to be
tighter in one area than the other. This differential in the pressure
along the wedge will most likely cause the wedge not to hold the blade
as well as it should. This will be made worse if the other side of
the wedge has different pressures in different places when compared to
the other side.
You can be easily tricked into thinking
the wedge fits right when you use a softer wood for the wedge, and the
problem above will result. Therefore I use the same wood in the
wedges I use which forces me to get the perfect fit which negates the
problems mentioned above. If you got the perfect fit with a
softer wood should not present any problem but there is not much
between a good and bad wedge.
A2) The 60 degree blade
pitch is about 10 to 15 degrees above that of a shoulder plane with a
low bed, due to the bevel up situation in these planes. When I
tested the difference between say a 45 degree pitch say in record
shoulder plane, and the 60 degrees in my plane I found no difference
in the ability to do shoulder plane work on a majority of woods.
What I found was important was the blade needed to be sharp and the
bevel angle had to be no more than 30 degrees. With really soft woods
the low angle shoulder plane worked very slightly better but if I
sharpened the bevel to 25 degrees it was hard to pick the
difference. However, there was a big benefit with the 60 degree
blade pitch if I used the shoulder plane to plane rabbits or rebates,
particularly in curly woods and I had the benefit of being able to use
the plane as a scraper by reversing the blade. This benefit
outweighed the very minimal degrade in performance when planing the
shoulder on very soft woods.
Sharpening a HSS blade on a smoothing plane
June 25, 2004
Q. I have just received my first HNT Gordon plane - a smoothing plane
with the HSS blade which I purchased from MIK in Adelaide and am
looking forward to using it on some box making projects. I have read
your instructions re sharpening the blade.
I have a Tormek sharpening machine with a watercooled slowturning
grindstone and a leather honing wheel. Tormek advise that they do not
see any need to hollow grind blades.
I am anxious to ensure that I do not jeopardise the ability of the
plane by incorrect sharpening. Do you have any particular instructions
for sharpening your blades on these type of systems? Many
thanks for your help. I look forward to adding to my collection of
your planes in coming years! regards Derek Growns
A. The tormek sharpening machine is fine for putting a hollow ground
bevel on the blade. Set your tool rest up so you grind the bevel
at 30 degrees which is the current angle it is sharpened at. It
will take a while to put the hollow grind in it to start with but
when you re-sharpen it won't take long at all. I recommend a hollow
ground bevel because it makes it easier to get a sharp edge on thick
blades.
Once you have put a hollow in the
bevel I recommend you finish the sharpening on a 6000 grit flat
waterstone using a standard sharpening technique. There is some
good info on my
website for sharpening.
Sharpening Blades June 15,
2004
Q. I have a Gordon smoothing Plane. I tend to encounter "tram lines"
when using it. Is this because the blade is not set finely enough or
should I round off the edges with a file? Thank you Ewan
Knox
A. Your second guess is correct.
There is a spot on my website under 'using
planes' click on this link and it will take you there and explain how to
do it.
http://www.hntgordon.com.au/sharpeningsmoothingtryingblade.htm
What is the best
wood to use in the plane body?
All timbers used for the plane body are
very suitable for this purpose and will provide good serviceability and
long life. It really comes down to your budget and personal preference
based on the look of the wood. However, here are
some points to consider:
Cooktown Ironwood has more of a natural oily feel
to it than other timbers. Its texture is not
quite as fine as the acacias or ebony and is generally is
not as beautiful.
Acacias ( Gidgee, mulga and Desert Rosewood)
have a very fine texture and are generally very
beautiful.
Macassar Ebony has a romance because of its
beauty, but generally it is not quite as dense as
Ironwood or the acacias.
Will the sole of the wooden
planes wear?
A. Yes, the sole of any plane be it
wood or metal will wear because of the friction created
when planing wood. However, the hard dense
timbers used in the sole will wear very little over the
life of the tool. Wood on wood has very
little friction hence wear is minimal.
Which blade should I choose,
High Speed Steel (HSS 18% Tungsten) or High Carbon Tool
Steel (TS)?
A. In the smoothing and trying planes where you have
a choice of HSS or TS, your choice should be based on the
intended use of the plane. If you intend to
do a lot of scraping a HSS blade will hold its edge much
longer due to this metal being designed to hold an edge
under high heat. If your main use for
the plane is just planing then the TS blade will be just
as good as the HSS blade. Both blades can be
sharpen to a very fine edge with good sharpening
equipment but the HSS blade will usually take a bit
longer to sharpen. Also cost is a factor
here.
What do you recommend for
sharpening blades?
Please refer to guide on sharpening.
What is the advantage of a HNT Gordon Plane over a common metal plane?
A HNT Gordon Planes are
designed with a higher blade angles for use on
cranky/interlocking grain timber which would normally
tear when a standard metal plane is used.
These planes give you the option to plane or scrape the
wood as required to give a smooth finish. Also the smoothing and trying
planes handle design allows you to push or pull the plane which is very
handy when planing large flat surfaces, go to
planing a table top.
Why do you use such thick
blades?
Thick blades eliminates
chatter. Chatter can leave unwanted marks on
the timber and will help induce the dreaded tear out. Also
a thick blade eliminates the requirement for a backing
iron which can cause problems if not fitted just right.
Why didn't Stanley or Record
make a plane with a 60 degree blade angle?
For the exact answer you probably
have to ask these companies, but here is my
opinion: 45 degrees is the optimum
cutting angle for wood in its pure form. E.g.
with straight grain. Cutting at 45 degrees
also has less of a blunting effect on the blade
edge, so in theory this would seem the best angle
to use to mass produce a plane. However, in
practice this angle is not so effective because timber is
rarely the straight grained medium a 45 degree plane was
designed to smooth. A higher blade pitch
will start to induce an element of scraping which will
reduce the likely hood of inducing tear out. Also if you
increase the blade pitch to 60 degrees in any plane you
also increase the effort required to push the plane
through the wood, so combined with the additional fiction
of a metal plane it would have made using the plane very
hard work.
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